Der Pop-Titan

Geronimo hat geschrieben: ↑Sa 7. Sep 2024, 02:18 Hat also die russische Desinformations-Maschinerie auch das Thema MT für sich entdeckt
Völlig gaga, die Behauptungen, aber danke, Schlumpfdipumpf, fürs Sichten der alten Zeitungsartikel und für den Versuch einer Diskussion

Toll! Endlich hast du dir selbst eingestanden, dass Dieter Bohlen die Kunst des Desinformation von den Russen gelernt hat! Deswegen mag er an denen ja so gerne, oder?

Alter, was für ne Eigentor.

Soooo, da ich ja stark interessiert bin, habe ich mir die komplette Seite mal durchgelesen. Ein Thema ist für mich mal auf alle Fälle nachvollziehbar und das ist das Thema: schlechte Remixe in 2017 und noch schlechtere Produktionen in 2019, wo der Meister es nicht hinbekommen hat, seine eigenen Songs zu reproduzieren. Meiner Meinung nach ist das alles sehr sehr billig und mit NULL Talent produziert. Ich frage mich seit 2017, wo Bohlens Talent geblieben ist, Musik zu mache???

Das ist mal so der erste Part, wo für mich auf dieser Webseite nachvollziehbar ist und das eventuell die Antwort sein könnte auf diese schlechten Produktionen.

Selbst wenn Bohlen der Masse einreden möchte, dass er ja jetzt in 2019 oder 2024 nicht so klingen kann, wie in den 80ern, so ist das ne Art "Irreführung", da es auch in 2024 Produzenten gibt, die den Sound sehr gut nach produzieren können!

Selbst Youtuber mit Ahnung von Musik bekommen den Sound mega hin und das alles ohne KI!

Also in diesem Thema kann ich der Webseite bestens folgen.

Andere Themen muss ich erstmal sacken lassen...

Welches Thema von der Webseite bringt Euch ins grübeln?

max_om hat geschrieben: ↑Di 3. Sep 2024, 02:14 First of all, thank you for the free views you've given to our website, it is doing quite well among the foreign audience, even though it's only 10 months old!

Secondly, how everyone jumps on the train that it's all conspiracy theory, and how nobody asks, how come this website with such information is created, and in English... while German fans are completely in the dark, because they've been fed all their lives with RTL documentaries.... Yes, it's quite funny.

It's funny also how everyone is surprised about the information from the old magazines. That's because you never bothered to do any research. You found it useless.

Obviously, nobody wants to ask the right questions here, or to prove anybody wrong, but it's enough to call it conspiracy, that's how everyone comforts themselves. Though I don't want to make this comment longer and talk about things that are unrelated to the forum itself. Otherwise it would be noisy.

But acting as if this website is "top secret" information where a whistleblower comes forward is just damn hilarious!! These informations have been everywhere on magazines. And in many places. But nobody bothers to check on anything. RTL documentaries are enough....

For example, people everywhere complain how uncreative Thomas Anders is, or rather mock him about how no idea comes from him, how he is only a great singer and cannot compose and others do it for him... The irony is strong here, considering it's a Bohlen fan forum...
Although there exists an information at the back of the single "Es Geht Mir Gut Heut' Nacht" where it says that Thomas completed a degree as a sound technician/arranger after finishing high school. And met with Dieter in 1981 after January. So... I am 100% sure that NONE of you knew about this.

Also conspiracy theory, right?

And we never saw Thomas credited as arranger and producer, despite his degree. If Dieter Bohlen hid Michael, Rolf and Detlef from the world for almost 20 years, he can do it with Thomas, too. After all, Thomas allegedly refused to be co-producer in the 1980s, according to Dieter.... but why would he refuse to be co-producer, if he already had a veto? I mean, it was thanks to him that Cheri Cheri Lady now exists. And that Dieter was ready to kiss Thomas' leather shoes for insisting not to throw the song away.

I'd like to be answered and proven wrong without ridiculous "conspiracy" name-callings. Kann auch Deutsch antworten

Other stuff that you call conspiracy I don't want to talk about. You can think whatever you want. But since this is a MUSIC forum, you should come to terms with the fact that Dieter has done many shady things to be on top where he is now. And that's no conspiracy. Maybe you've created some wrong idea about Thomas Anders, that he really is uncreative, and you want to stick with it at all costs. But in reality, that title belongs to Dieter.

Sorry but I never read more crap and lies about Dieter and Thomas in my entire life than on your website and I know most of the facts about them since the very beginning even before Modern Talking was created. I met both Dieter and Thomas and talked to them many times and discussed many topics about their musical carriers but with all honesty your website is based on biased material and just many absurd statements!

BlueModernDieter hat geschrieben: ↑Do 17. Okt 2024, 05:41
Sorry but I never read more crap and lies about Dieter and Thomas in my entire life than on your website and I know most of the facts about them since the very beginning even before Modern Talking was created. I met both Dieter and Thomas and talked to them many times and discussed many topics about their musical carriers but with all honesty your website is based on biased material and just many absurd statements!

Our website has crossed one year since its foundation, and so far nobody has been able to disprove the things we've written. Why didn't you come create an account there and disprove us, since you allegedly know "facts" about Thomas and Dieter even before Modern Talking was created?

Without repeating ourselves a million times, would just like to add something just to add more salt on the wound to all you delusional Bohlen fanatics.

Modern Talking is one of the biggest wasted potentials the musical world has ever seen. And they're still one of the greatest disco acts of all time.

The success, the fate and the songs of this group became "Dieter-Bohlen-centered". A group whose musicians (not Dieter Bohlen) incorporated disco style with a mixing of Synthpop and New Wave influences deserved MORE recognition and BETTER than being called a "Dieter-Bohlen-Group". They'll never get good reputation in Germany thanks to the so-called "efficient decisions" of the "businessman" called Dietrich (Krupp) Bohlen.

Just to clarify: "musician" and "businessman" don't belong in the same context and sentence.

It's also DUE TO Dieter Bohlen that MT was never taken seriously in the USA or the UK. It is the only band in history of music that is famous WORLDWIDE, but only not in the US and UK. He did not want to tour in the USA because he was scared. One time Modern Talking sang live as a duo, in France, for the FIRST TIME, Dieter sang HORRIBLY. The record company tried to hide the scandal in France by censoring the performance in Germany. They had to redo a playback performance. You can find it on YouTube.

90% of the time, in Germany, it is talked about the success Dieter Bohlen reached with the group, "thanks to his (so called) compositions", as if musical projects in general, are not team-effort.

All it is talked about, are the number ones Dieter Bohlen had, how much money he made and how many Gold and Platinums he won.

IF ONLY the focus was about Thomas Anders' voice which is 50% the reason why the band became so successful. About the sound which was so ahead of its time. About the other members of the staff which contributed so much to the band's sound and singing. The vocalists. Etc. And not about Bohlen (who doesn't even know the drum machines and the synthesizers that created the sound) And Thomas' woman, Nora. Then everyone shakes their head when we tell these people that Bohlen is an industry plant, not a genuine musician.

The one responsible for the decrease in quality of MT sound in the 1980s, was also Dieter who hired Luis Rodriguez, his scamming partner and who worsened the sound of MT. There was no creativity left and the songs became a copy of one another. It was also his idea and the record company who decided to release two albums a year, to a point that it became very annoying.

In that same decade, for example, he even had the audacity to say that all Sandra's songs are uncreative and sound the same. Funny, considering that VERY short after Dieter's statement, hsr producer, Michael Cretu founded "Enigma" whose first album stood top 10 for 296 weeks (!) in AMERICAN Charts. In addition, he was never scared to give the credits to the musicians who wrote and compose songs for his projects.

Meanwhile this Oldenburg doll was being pushed to the limelight as the Modern Mozart. This Dieter, the one who could barely play any musical instrument professionally.

All these decisions of this successful businessman, benefited only Dieter and nobody else. To call him a musician and the Titan of Pop is disgraceful. He should be called as it is, a businessman who exploited everyone for his benefit. The only reason he gets the chance to be called a member of Modern Talking is because the record company wanted him to be the center of attention, not because he actually added something valuable to the group.

Now come again and prove me wrong. I'll wait.

According to Andy Selleneit it was Dieters decision to make to Albums a year. BMG only wants bring out only one modern talking - album a year. Also Thomas has written and produced al lot of songs for other acts.

Nach dem Artikel darüber, dass Dieter der Sohn eines Nazi-Mannes und einer Prostituierten sei, habe ich aufgehört, etwas zu lesen. Ich verstehe, dass Sie mit Ihrer Website um jeden Preis versuchen, diesen Mann zu verteufeln, aber es ist einfach falsch, ihm in irgendeiner Weise die Schuld dafür zu geben, dass er von Menschen geboren wurde, die Sie für schlecht halten. Niemand wählte seinen Geburtsort.

Witzig ist auch, wie der Autor sagt, dass alle Kompositionen von Thomas stammen, Bohlen aber von allen „Anti-Bohlen“-Leuten als Plagiator bezeichnet wird. Nach dieser Logik sind also alle Modern Talking-Songs, die wie andere Kompositionen klingen, von Thomas plagiiert!!! Haha

Wenn Thomas der Mastermind hinter 90 % von MT ist, muss Thomas auch zugestimmt haben, die SIBs nicht auf den Albumcovern zu erwähnen oder sie auf die Bühne zu bringen … sonst hätte er etwas dazu zu sagen gehabt.

Und jetzt versuchen Sie den Eindruck zu erwecken, dass Luis Rodriguez zu keinem Song beigetragen hat ... Nun, lassen Sie mich Ihnen sagen, dass Leroy Skeete, der den DX7 für YMHYMS programmiert hat, Rodriguez tatsächlich schon lange vor MT kannte und derzeit daran arbeitet zu Projekten mit LR.

Daher verstehe ich nicht, was Sie mit einigen dieser Dinge erreichen wollen.

PS: Lob Michael Cretu? Dieser Typ war genauso ein Betrüger wie Bohlen, weil Top-Hits wie „In the heat of the night“ und „Maria Magdalena“ von anderen produziert wurden; Cretu gab auf den Albumcovern lediglich seinen Namen als „Produzent“ an. Aber soweit ich weiß, weiß nur noch Gott, was ein „Produzent“ ist.

Des ist doch alles ein riesiger Scheissdreck. Das Thema gehört gelöscht

I will write in english as well. (hope the admins do not delete my post - as it is pure informative and not available in the english section)
I will reiterate what I said in German: (and add a few more)

The author claims that all the MT songs are the creation of Thomas Anders. If that is the case, then why accuse Bohlen of plagiarism like all the Bohlen-haters do (especially some die-hard SIB fans that act more like lackeys. I won't mention their names here as it goes against the rules) and not Anders?
If someone else besides Bohlen had plans for the image/look of the Modern Talking brand, don't some of you realise that putting the SIB's on-stage would create no recognisable look? Even Dieter knew that so that's why they went with the brown-hair-guy + blonde-hair-guy formula. It was simply just for the show-off. As for who is credited or not, there are many music acts that DO NOT specify who does background singing... The only issue here was the fact that the choir members were not paid adequately, but then again Scholz,Kohler and Wiedeke did background voices for ALOT of german produced gigs back then. And they did not learn their lesson because from 1987 to 1997 THEY STILL WORKED for Bohlen even though they knew Bohlen & production company would not pay them the millions they wanted. So uhm....Not really feeling sorry for them for something they agreed on. Afterall they could have left this MT/BS thing and start over with Kalle Trapp (whom worked with Kohler) or leave the music industry alltogeher if they felt "used".
Thirdly, blaming the whole situation with Bohlen JUST ON BOHLEN himself is also ridiculous. There are certainly alot of names behind the scenes (besides the ones known by die-hard fans) that also had something to say about how things should go. (eg: People at HANSA etc) .
As for the "miraculous discovery" of the author saying that Luis Rodriguez wasn't doing much at all....That's also ridiculous because starting from the 2nd or 3rd album his influence is clearly seen.
Mr.Leeroy Skeete worked as a programmer and arranger/componist on the first album. He basically refined poorly made demos by Bohlen and re-arranged some notes then mastered them into the final product. So everyone did a bit of anything. This dude also known Luis Rodriguez way before Modern Talking and is CURRENTLY WORKING with Luis even today.

I understand the author tries to sound as he's some kind of unsung hero, but even going to proceed to peek into Dieter's early life with things like being the son of a prositute and nazi officer/collaborator is also a bit of a huge stretch. I can't confirm or infirm this but even if it's true...WHAT THE **** DOES IT HELP YOU WITH? Personally? Nobody choses where they are born or what they are gonna become. What? Is Bohlen now guilty of even being born? Seriously people, grow a spine and stop with this scaveging for personal details like you're some kind of high school drama teenager.

Overall I'm not trying to defend Bohlen.....This business, like the movie business, is a dirty slippery slope. But to take your time to write a whole website claiming you know the whole "truth" while going into personal details like that is just some new form of sociopathy I've only encountered a few times in my life.
I also don't say that the website is 100% incorrect... Some details are true and taken from interviews, some other things are just conclusions of the author.
But the whole presentation is like a personal vendetta against the person of Dieter Bohlen rather than an impartial opinion.
But in the end the only frustrated people are those that hate Bohlen non-stop while he has hundreds of millions in euros...
And I bet neither Thomas cares about this stuff: the SIBs, or whoever programmed which DX7 or Linn Drums back in the 80's.
For them right now is to enjoy old age. The rest is just frustration over things neither of you could control.

Dieter Amlacher hat geschrieben: ↑Sa 14. Dez 2024, 19:32
PS: Lob Michael Cretu? Dieser Typ war genauso ein Betrüger wie Bohlen, weil Top-Hits wie „In the heat of the night“ und „Maria Magdalena“ von anderen produziert wurden; Cretu gab auf den Albumcovern lediglich seinen Namen als „Produzent“ an. Aber soweit ich weiß, weiß nur noch Gott, was ein „Produzent“ ist.

Gibt es dazu Quellen? Würde mich ehrlich interessieren.

Dieter Amlacher hat geschrieben: ↑Sa 14. Dez 2024, 19:32 PS: Lob Michael Cretu? Dieser Typ war genauso ein Betrüger wie Bohlen, weil Top-Hits wie „In the heat of the night“ und „Maria Magdalena“ von anderen produziert wurden; Cretu gab auf den Albumcovern lediglich seinen Namen als „Produzent“ an. Aber soweit ich weiß, weiß nur noch Gott, was ein „Produzent“ ist.

For this, I'd just wanted to this comment separately especially because I badly wanted to show you that Dieter Bohlen did not spare anyone when it came to copying other people, that he even copied from Michael Cretu. Magic Symphony's violin and drum rhythm was stolen from "World of Lust and Crime" by Peter Schilling (Produced by Cretu). Another one he copied from Cretu / Frank Peterson was also the "New Age" genre of Enigma which he stole for a song he made as a soundtrack for a ZDF documentary called Stadtindianer in 1994. You can find it on YouTube called Indian Groove. Even the female parts were stolen from the song of Susanne Vega Tom's Dinner.

Why didn't ZDF just invite Cretu himself to make the soundtrack, since he invented the genre? Or they wanted a Krupp heir with power, not a poor Romanian immigrant?

Just to clarify, I don't like Michael as a person either, for some reasons which are rather on the private sphere. But professionally there's nothing to say about him. HE is the one who actually worked hard for his success, not Dieter. Came from a hard immigrant background, studied classical music and even became a music pedagogue in Frankfurt. What do you have to say about Dieter Bohlen? Who, not only got absolutely nothing to do with music, was served everything on a silver plate, but despite graduating for business-administration, he did not even know the difference between NET and GROSS salary?! You're funny, dude.

I don't remember Michael stealing other people's credits neither claiming he did everything himself, and that he made 30 songs every week. On Sandra's records, there are several people who are credited for every contribution they made.
It was widely known, on every magazine of that time, that Hubert Kah was the composer, the backing vocalist and sometimes the lyricist of 80% of Sandra's songs in the 1980s. That also included his friends Markus Loehr (composer, guitarist) and Klaus Hirschburger (lyricist who also worked with DB for DSDS stars)

Hence, angry bird, tell us what credits did Cretu steal from others? I'm curious. You're fantasizing things because it's the only thing you can do right now. It is much easier for you to imagine things, than actually understand something. Maybe because you only have the capacity to fantasize, not comprehend.
All the lyrics of Sandra (and the ones he made for his career) were on his (and Hubert's) ideas, while Palmer-James, Michael Kunze and Hirschburger restructured their texts, and they were the ones who STILL received credits on the record, not Michael.

Meanwhile, under every Modern Talking album, you have: Dieter Bohlen the producer, composer, guitarist, backing vocalist, the songwriter, the lyricist, the arranger. I am shocked he did not steal the credits of the toilet cleaner of the BMG offices. How the f*ck can you even make such an idiotic comparison? Are you that dense?

It's funny, because Sandra was meant to rival Modern Talking, but unlike here, where everyone is fighting for their copyrights and forced to give up their royalties to the record company just to enrich Dieter Bohlen, at Sandra's productions you got a healthy friendship/relationship between a once-called problematic Neue-Deutsche-Welle clown Hubert Kah and young producer/arranger Michael Cretu.

You're pathetic. Quit trying to prove us wrong, you'll only embarrass yourselves, nothing more.